I'm surprised you brought up Saleka playing Lady Raven amidst the fatherhood theme without mentioning how her character brings up her own father leaving her, and as a result her being angry at him for a long time. Riley is the big Lady Raven fan and, unknown to her at the time, her father will soon be absent and she will have plenty of reason to be angry at him.
Hi Peter, great read! The last paragraph was particularly insightful. I was wondering if this kind of comunal thinking is uniformally applied. I mean in both movies these moral dillemas are applied to american, white men who have a place upheld in society. I always wondered what happens to the argument when it comes to marginalized individuals to which their “community” means the one closest to them? In these cases is it not morally just to prioritize their house/blood over a society that rejects them, and not serve that same disfunctional society at the cost of their own skin? I see how it’s an individualistic argument and doesn’t contribute to improve anything, but I never really could think up an answer to that. I’d appreciate reading recs on the subject if you know of any. Again, great read!
Thanks for reading Ana! I think that's a huge question and I wouldn't want to be dogmatic about it. Obviously there's a certain sense in which especially Juror #2's vision of service to humanity (performance of civic duty in the liberal state) is pretty limited; I think though that ultimately it's interested in a broader, if vaguer, sense of "doing what's right." Juror also constructs itself to avoid racial politics in not-entirely-elegant ways, and this too is notable. You're right that it's easy to imagine very different configurations of the family-versus-society dilemma in film that would have very different moral valences - I'd be interested to know if anyone can come up with examples.
I'm surprised you brought up Saleka playing Lady Raven amidst the fatherhood theme without mentioning how her character brings up her own father leaving her, and as a result her being angry at him for a long time. Riley is the big Lady Raven fan and, unknown to her at the time, her father will soon be absent and she will have plenty of reason to be angry at him.
Good connection!
Hi Peter, great read! The last paragraph was particularly insightful. I was wondering if this kind of comunal thinking is uniformally applied. I mean in both movies these moral dillemas are applied to american, white men who have a place upheld in society. I always wondered what happens to the argument when it comes to marginalized individuals to which their “community” means the one closest to them? In these cases is it not morally just to prioritize their house/blood over a society that rejects them, and not serve that same disfunctional society at the cost of their own skin? I see how it’s an individualistic argument and doesn’t contribute to improve anything, but I never really could think up an answer to that. I’d appreciate reading recs on the subject if you know of any. Again, great read!
Thanks for reading Ana! I think that's a huge question and I wouldn't want to be dogmatic about it. Obviously there's a certain sense in which especially Juror #2's vision of service to humanity (performance of civic duty in the liberal state) is pretty limited; I think though that ultimately it's interested in a broader, if vaguer, sense of "doing what's right." Juror also constructs itself to avoid racial politics in not-entirely-elegant ways, and this too is notable. You're right that it's easy to imagine very different configurations of the family-versus-society dilemma in film that would have very different moral valences - I'd be interested to know if anyone can come up with examples.